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Wow, I mean, I can usually relate to you a bit. My family is also pretty well off and sometimes people mistake my fortune for snobbery, and usually I mentally defend you.
However, fashion is an expression of self. Some fashion is terrible, some is tacky, some is not to our taste. If you have a strict dress code, that's fine, but if you think the dress code is good because seeing that someone enjoys Led Zeppelin disrupts your school from looking straight out of Gossip Girl... that's just style discrimination. There are a gazillion ways to dress up a band tee, and a million ways to look chic doing it.
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q who will always love Ringo best :)
While I see what you mean, I still enjoy my school's dress code because it keeps us looking more studious, if that makes sense. My friend from Phillips Exeter Academy once told me that she thought it was strange when guys didn't wear ties -- unlike her school, obviously only a few guys from my school wear ties -- most just wear button-up shirts.
There are many ways to dress up a t-shirt, but as a personal preference, I prefer the general professional atmosphere of dress at our school.
Some schools require uniforms, some schools have completely liberal free dress -- each school has its own style ambiance and I just prefer my high school the way it is :]. I'm obviously not the voice of the student body (hence I'm not running for ASB...), and I don't know what the general consensus is anyways :].
As a college student, I can attest that individual styles do not detract from recieving a quality education!
i'm sorry hope this doesnt come off as a personal attack, just putting my 2 cents in:)
yeah dude we should like make our own wednesday table spot. like take over the 08 seniors space when they are gone. that place is DEF ours next year.
I just believe that just as one dresses up for work, one should dress up for school :].
One can definitely wear a t-shirt and look chic, but at the same time, many students would rather just throw a t-shirt on than look "chic". There's nothing wrong with that -- I would have no objections if our school dress code did change, but I stand by my belief that students should dress up for school just as they would dress up for work -- not necessarily in high heels and dresses, but not sweatpants-tee-and scruffy sneakers either.
There will always be students who look GREAT in t-shirts (I am not one of them) -- but I still believe that just as one would not find wearing scruffy clothes to the office, our school administration is justified in making sure that we look presentable and taking the measures needed :].
I can't wait for our senior spot ;].
I agree about the guys, most definitely 8).
My schools dresscode is really relaxed, since were not private. Its basic stuff. No holes, no 'gang signs', nothing too short, etc.
Anyway, your view makes a lot of sense. I probably wouldn't mind having to be dressed up...but then there are those days I throw on a shirt, skinny jeans and my lowtops.
What would happen if someone did wear a tshirt? Detention?
Personally, I would love a no tee shirt dress code but the weather in the Philippines just does not permit. In my university, the heat is a giant factor that dictates what everyone wears (usually jeans, shirt for guys, tanks and shorts for girls, flip flops for everyone). As is the case anywhere in the Philippines, except I guess if you work in an office that needs subzero temperatures for computer servers. I digress, but yea even in temperature conditioned environments, the air is still pervasively hot. It just will not work here.
It's funny because I think about it and yes--there are a lot of girls in my school (and some boys) who insist on wearing cardigans and vests to everyday classes. I applaud them, they do look good but it's just not practical because the minute they step out of the classroom, the sweat just goes through all their clothes. It's a really sad sight, wouldn't you agree? Oh well.
I just wish it was more temperate here so I could get away with wearing all of my hoodies to school. I just bring them all the time in the sheer hope that it rains (it's summer now, SO HOT)
Cheers Noel
- Martin
My brother, however, went to a private school in Michigan for a little while, and now primarily wears collared shirts open with a t-shirt under them. I think it looks perfectly normal on him. Its a very "to each his own" subject.
I do however agree that school isn't the place to wear sweat pants or club wear— sweats look frumpy on everyone.
PS, I'm obsessed with the bell-sleeve shirt by Phillip Lim.
Thank you.
To Noel: I have been reading your blog for quite a while, but this post compelled me to comment.
Coming from a liberal university, the students in my school are very protective of their "rights". Just recently, there was a huge ruckus regarding our school's dresscode (it was about flip flops!), and many violently lobbied for the abolition of any rules on clothing choice.
I appreciate your sound arguments for wanting your school to keep its "polished" appearance. Personally, I also don't think dress codes are restrictive. As you have mentioned, there should be more effort put in dressing up for school.
It's not about elitism, really, it's just that studying is better when you look the part. Right? :)
Personally, I can't imagine life with a stricter dress code. There are just those days when I wake up with time for a shower AND a cute outfit, or those days where my self-esteem is shot and I'd rather not stand out too distinctly. Thus, the plain t-shirt/college sweatshirt/band t-shirt is utilized. This statement doesn't apply to everyone, but since I usually am too busy to remind myself to pick out an outfit in the evening, I can't imagine the added stress of having to actually think about it in the morning when I really dont have the time/desire.
But with that said, at my school at least, I wish some things would change. Like I said, I love dressing up, but when I do I always receive multiple comments asking what the occasion is, why so fancy, etc. Therefore I do wish people (at my school)would put in a bit more effort...I personally think it's refreshing to stand out from the whole Abercrombie & Fitch/daily sweatpants person.
But with that said, it is a fine line to tread properly. I think that private school/public schools are different realms in regard to dress codes...i think my school could do with a little more effort class, while yours would largely be successful with a casual chic. But aside from acheiving "academic ambiance" with a strong focus, I think it's important to distinguish yourself and form your own beliefs/opinions, and if dressing a certain way can help one to attain this, then a reduced dress code should be advocated.
sleep is precious in high school. if i can roll out of bed at 6:40 throw on jeans, t-shirt, and flipflops instead of taking time to put together an outfit, i'm sure as hell going to.
but anyway, california prep schools and midwest public schools are obviously entirely different cultures
that was a very stuck up comment.
I agree with the comment above though-- it's really stuck up. I assure you, my school regularly sends students to Ivy Leagues (and I would insist proof, I'm sure you would too: 7 Princeton, 7 Harvard, 6 Yale for the Big 3, and an additional 7 to Stanford were all accepted for the class of 08), and we all wear t-shirts. Being politically correct is important to us, and the snobbery of believing that a cashmere sweater is more conducive to learning than a t-shirt is unacceptable. But maybe we do things differently in Washington.
Also, I was just wondering, but is it necessary that you wear a James Perse tee? Does that make it more socially acceptable than say, a t-shirt from a Death Cab concert, or a t-shirt whose proceeds benefit AIDS research? The way you say it, it sounds an awful lot like "well, if you must wear an unsophisticated t-shirt, better make it of the ridiculously expensive variety," and while I wholeheartedly agree that they ARE nicer (I for one prefer C&C California), I also think in this context it is inappropriate.
I want to believe that this post was written as a veiled plea to stop wearing sweatpants to school (AGREED), but at some point it crossed the line from "What happened to dressing up for formal environments like school?" to "We are smarter because we dress smarter."
Just my two cents. Keep up the good work!
From 6 to 16 years the uniform consisted of a dark blue skirt and white polo.
In spain there are some schools like yours, they don't have a proper uniform but they give some limits
as for my school, we have a "dress code" which basically means NO jeans and our shirts must have a collar (a polo, oxford, etc.) it's pretty lax but i think its too lax. i think schools should either have no clothing rules (except for ones about modesty) or have a uniform, where everyone wears the same, or similar, outfit.
Exactly -- detention!
Laura:
Yep, polos are allowed.
"As a college student, I can attest that individual styles do not detract from recieving a quality education!"
"it's important to distinguish yourself and form your own beliefs/opinions, and if dressing a certain way can help one to attain this, then a reduced dress code should be advocated."
If someone is not dressed obsecenly or inappropriately, yet still the way they feel most comfortable and confident, therefore contributing to their academic success, then why is it your issue whatsoever, just because you personally do not like the tone it sets? You have every right to disagree with the option to dress down at your school--but really, even if your current dress code is reduced, no one will be stopping YOU from wearing your skirts/heels/headbands. However, for those who are more inclined to a less rigid style, they aren't just "compelled" to dress that way--they're forced. I think in such instances, everyone should have the right to choose as long as the clothing is modest and appropriate.
I'm going to have to agree with anonymous above me, as well.
In my high school they had a dress code, aka a waste of 5,000 sheets of paper about dressing modestly that was ignored and not inforced.
Girls came to school in micro-minis and tube tops, guys in ripped jeans and t-shirts with obscene sayings. Even my friend Vinny, one of the top students in the class (Who got into Yale, but goes to Amherst on a scholorship), wore sloppy jeans and band tees every day. Looking the part doesn't mean one is smarter.
Some dressed up everyday (the football team, when out of team uniforms, wore tailored business-men suits). But it's really an individual's decision. Individual expression and identity (even if it is something as shallow as how one dresses) feeds education, learning to respect everyone's different tastes and opinions (as it is trendy to wear it on one's shirt. GO OBAMA!) more than just forcing everyone to be the same.
I mean for fucks sake, when filming Legally Blond, they had to put extras in @ Harvard who "looked the part" of preppy, collard-shirt and slacks, Ivy League students, because the actualy students didn't dress "the part" at all.
I like and respect you. You're a decent writer and obviously intelligent, but sometimes you do come off a bit snobbish and this is a prime example why. Hopefully, you will read over your post and realize how you come off to some people.
Well that's a rather rude comment :]. I have lots of friends around the Ivy League schools and I know they dress any way that they like (one friend at Columbia wears a Stanford sweatshirt from high school a lot and no one cares).
I for one do not mind the opposition to my personal opinions -- I do however, consider "i can't wait until you're tossed out of your little bubble..." to be rather rude though.
I am not clueless, you sillypoo hehe :]. I merely just like dressing up and don't mind my school dress code. I used to go to a public school with no dress code and I didn't mind that either.
If you can't wait until I'm "tossed out", I'm hoping you have something better to do while you wait.
Having t-shirts doesn't mean that people can't dress up.
I can't really relate bc we have strict uniforms and we don't have to think about anything except what we're wearing after school for whatever event.
Nice post. Insightful as usual.
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